Curse

bungusmaximus · Aug 17, 2006, 08:54 AM // 08:54

Lol, if there's something about GW that I fail to understand then it's the fuss about rare kinky armor and stuff like that. Personally I would rather invest time in things like mission completion titles, which is an obvious sign of experience because it's something you have to earn yourself. I worked my ass of for Canthan Explorer and all of a sudden its quite easy to find a party for whatever mission/quest

which adds quite a lot of fun to the game. The money I mainly invested in guild hall improvements, since they really do something. Bottom line, I'm quite happy with my yellow shing jea armour and decent playing skills.

The Herbalizer · Aug 17, 2006, 11:10 AM // 11:10

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Originally Posted by Relambrien

I hate to disagree with you guys but listen to this...

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I have played GW for 15 months. I play it actively, at least 3 hours a day. I have obtained a TOTAL amount of around 200k. That's all the money I've EVER gotten. Not that I've had at one time, that's the total amount of money I've gotten playing this game.

A while back, I bought some 15k armor for my Warrior. I thought maybe that since I was seeing a lot of threads about how easy it is to make money from normal play, I would make the money back within a month. This was, oh, a month and a half ago. I haven't even made back the 15k one piece cost me. I play normally, collecting drops, selling them, etc. And yet I haven't even made that back yet. I haven't bought a thing.

The best drop I ever got was a Celestial Longbow of Enchanting, req 9 15^50 over the double-your-fun weekend. I can't find a buyer for that ANYWHERE, not here, not in-game, even after hours upon hours of advertising.

So no, it is NOT easy to get money in this game. I can't afford anything; my weapons are drops that I got and modded from other drops. Even so, they're pathetic. Selling items is near impossible, even when you have one that you would think people would want. I can't bring up a new character because I don't have the money to support one.

But, I will never buy gold. I should, based on how easily others here come across their money, but I won't.

Also, I agree that not all people who have FoW armor bought gold. I don't think many did. I congratulate those who got it, but please don't say it was easy, and just tedious. To people like me who have the worst luck in the world with drops and money, it seems like you're bragging. It depresses the crap out of me when I realize that other people have better/better-looking items than me just because they were more lucky, and imply they didn't have to work very hard to get it.
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Thanks for listening to this rant, but before I get flamed for complaining and placing blame, let me tell you I blame nothing except my terrible luck, and as such, what I'm saying is not a complaint. I just needed to say how other people get better things just because they're more lucky, which is something I work every day to change...

O.o you are doing something seriously wrong if you cant make 15k in a month. I could most probably make it in a day from questing easily.

milias · Aug 17, 2006, 12:33 PM // 12:33

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

O.o you are doing something seriously wrong if you cant make 15k in a month. I could most probably make it in a day from questing easily.

Heh, I haven't made 15k this month

I guess having a bad internet connection and being busy at work aren't very conducive to getting rich in-game

I think my total playing time has been less than one hour this whole month

Now only if Xunlai Storage paid interest on my money

PtiteDiablesse · Aug 18, 2006, 02:39 AM // 02:39

I find it astonishing that people can run into such dire money problems, or have trouble making 15K in a month, much less in a day.

I haven't speculated. I haven't bought low/sold high. I don't have some super-secret farming build. I don't have some super-secret farming location. I didn't ebay or bot or use my wonder twin powers. I've not been overly lucky with my drops (yeah, I've had quite a few nice drops, but more than my fair share of cruddy ones). But I'm fairly well-off. Not as rich as some, but at that point again where I need to sink some cash into materials and dyes to make some room, if ya get my drift.

So how did I manage this spectacular feat? I simply played the game through. I pick up all my drops, ID them, salvage the cheap ones and hope for steel/parchment/etc., sell everything else (yeah, including the cruddy white stuff). I didn't waste my money on 15K armour or FoW armour (If I can get the same level of armour by spending 10K-ish or less, then why blow the better part of 100K or 1000K on armour that gives me no inherent benefit, and doesn't really look any better? Frankly, my regular ol' 1.5K armour sets look spiffy enough in my mind. Except for the helmets. But I just hide them anyway). I don't have multiple sets of armour to dress to match my mood(except on my monk... her regular set and her 55 set).
I've never purchased an item or an upgrade or a rune that cost a significant amount of money. I simply use what drops for me, be it a collector item, be it a green, or be it a good 15>50 weapon. If something better drops for me, then great... I use that, and sell the previous item.
If I had money in my pocket, I'd sock it away in storage. I'd sell the odd item here and there. During the 55 monk craze, I had more than enough to put together a set of 55 armour... at that time a pretty big cost, considering monk runes were going for upwards of 20-30K a pop. But I knew I could make my money back fairly quickly. I knew it wasn't a loss, but rather an investment.
I didn't buy keys... until ANet added the titles. Now, it's possible to get chest runs together and sell unidentified items at a profit.
I never bought a run (if I couldn't run it myself, I'd walk or take the scenic route).

I can probably, without too much trouble, farm a couple of areas with my warrior in her 1.5K armour and her regular ol' green weapons, and pull in 20-30K an hour. Using builds that are regularly available and techniques that are regularly available.
Making money doesn't take any real luck or time or effort. Simply picking up and selling everything should net you a nice amount of cash.

capitalist · Aug 21, 2006, 05:15 PM // 17:15

Bump.

Mrscoombes · Aug 21, 2006, 07:09 PM // 19:09

I only usually see a max of 1.5k in a week, bite me.

**cosyfiep** · Aug 21, 2006, 07:21 PM // 19:21

I do quests, skill caps and help out guildees....and redo some of the missions I have yet to get masters on....and I get about 1k per run, do about 6-8 runs a day.....
though until this thread can by I never added it all up.....I have been using my plat to get the rest of the skills my characters need or skill caps for them....and then the new armor!....but I finally finished 2 characters and started the math...
wow if I dont spend I have about 6-8k per day.....thats a lot of plat for me!

but after I buy all the armor and skills, what will I do with the cash left over? ----save it for the next chapter if I DO buy it...otherwise, I will buy the rest of the materials for my storage !!!!

Rabid China Girl · Aug 21, 2006, 07:31 PM // 19:31

Doesn't seem like this thread needs a bump. o.o

Before this thread, I never knew there was such a complaint or split between players... Sure, I knew some people ebay their items/money, but there are people like that in every game, and the idea is so absurd to me I never really thought a lot of people (in GW) actually did it. I just assumed they were junkies and played way more hours than me, hehe.

I'm not sure about the 15k per week thing, but I don't avidly farm. Farming puts me to sleep (and farming parties can be oh so mean). Sometimes when I know I want 15k armor or something (that's usually where my money goes, then the runes and dye), I'll run a few routes, do some more quests, sell some stuff that might fetch at least a few hundred gold. I have some close friends in the game who can often help or donate some of the gold if I happen to come out short by my personal deadline. I don't sit in Droknar's or wherever and spam, "CAN ANYONE GIVE ME 1.7K GOLD?!" because that's just... no. Ask your friends, not strangers, sheesh. Sometimes I donate cheap materials to people... I'm sure other people do now and then.

I am a big fan of good greens (not greens with crappy stats). I buy the cheaper ones and often ask for help from friends to farm more expensive ones. I have a few golds with mediocre mods and less than perfect req.... but I wind up not using them as much as my greens (with the exception of my Assassin's oni daggers over Shiro's Blades). I never, ever go out of my way to buy golds (picked up a few gold swords back in Prophecies, kept ONE of them). My two pve casters do use collector items though... ;D They may have no market value, but collector items are great. I mod them with what I pick up or what my friends might throw my way (my tiny guild is small but close. We ask each other if we're interesting in loot before selling).

Looking at my characters, my two most "pimped out" characters are my warrior and necro, the two earliest characters who are both over a year old now. I worked hard on my warrior for a long time, and she has more greens than she needs, a gold fellblade, and two sets of 15k armor. I earned about half of her items myself and bought about half. So although I have never had over 200k in the bank at a time, my first character ever in GW values well over 400k. I take care of my newer characters, but I am proud of my warrior.

Normally, I don't have too much time to play.. and my luck really isn't that good. You should see me trying to salvage mods off items I pick up. Not pretty. But if there's anything to be learned from this, it's that just a couple hours a day farming or doing quests (in Factions, particularly) you've neglected before, you can easily make AT LEAST 1.5k and that's pretty good if you let it accumulate. Don't go around buying things without trying to farm it yourself, first. And don't be too picky about the golds you get. ;D My fellblade was cheap despite it's low req. because it had a 15<50 (under 50% health) mod and no one else was buyin' it. This means don't dismiss anything over a 9 req... I mean, why SHOULDN'T you already have 15-16 pts in your main attribute anyway? What, do you some of you wars run around with only a 7 in axe mastery?

Before max armor, don't buy armor at every post. In prophecies, I only bought armor in Ascalon, Yak's Bend, and Ventari's Sell... before I got to Droknar's. In Factions, I guess this wasn't applied as much 'cause you only go through Shing Jea before max armor on the mainland...

Selling takes more than a few hours. It takes freaking days or weeks. Be patient and everything will pay off.

Quaker · Aug 21, 2006, 07:56 PM // 19:56

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Originally Posted by Demesis

I still can't help but think FoW armor wearers are noobs.

You're just "bitter" and jealous. Even if a person was to "buy their armor on E-bay", that doesn't neccessarily make them a noob.

gabrial heart · Aug 21, 2006, 07:59 PM // 19:59

Why are you guys working for anything in GW? Is GW work? Gah i hope not :P

Quaker · Aug 21, 2006, 09:52 PM // 21:52

I started reading this thread, but then after posting the above reply, I got sent to this, the last page, so I haven't read it all - forgive me if I repeat stuff that has already been said. Anywho....

About the "buying FoW armor on Ebay". I assume you can't, of course, actually "buy" the armor on Ebay, but I am aware that you can buy gold. Can you also buy the services of someone to take you to the FoW? I dunno. Personally, last fall I had accumulated over 750p (in-game) so I decided to blow it on FoW armor for my Ranger. I'd been to FoW many times before, so it wasn't overly hard to get to the Forgemaster with a PUG.

I'm one of those people who can't understand why people have problems making gold in GW. 15k in a week doesn't seem out of line to me. I realize that in the earliest stages of the game, the amount of gold accumulated in the game is not that much, but later on, in the Southern Shiverpeaks, Luxon & Kurzick territory, The Tombs, Sorrow's Furnace, The Deep, Urgoz's, Ring of Fire Islands, etc., just a normal quest or mission will easily net you 1.5k in gold and common drops. If you do 10 such quests/missions in a week, there's your 15k.

And that's not counting the better drops, like silver/black dye, ectos, amber/jade/obsidian shards, gold/green weapons, etc. I you quest/mission often enough, you will get those drops.

To do this, you don't have to "farm" as such, but you do need to actually get out and do some of the higher level quests and missions, instead of standing around LA dancing naked by the fountain.

Loviatar · Aug 21, 2006, 10:43 PM // 22:43

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Originally Posted by Quaker

Can you also buy the services of someone to take you to the FoW? I dunno.

very easy to get a forge run. (for the right price).

get run anywhere and one person showed a screenshot of his map with nothing opened except every outpost on the map with all blank between them

garethporlest18 · Aug 21, 2006, 10:48 PM // 22:48

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

O.o you are doing something seriously wrong if you cant make 15k in a month. I could most probably make it in a day from questing easily.

Herb he has bad luck with drops. I make what 1k from questing. Questing takes me maybe... about as long as he plays during the day. I get a lot of good drops though I have extremely awesome luck and that's how I made most of the money I did. Usually farming is a waste of my time except for XP, so I don't usually bother anymore.

As for FoW armor. I'm not a noob because I have it. I just got really lucky with drops. I spent 5 months trying to get my necros and another 5 for my monk and mesmer. Factions came out and I made a lot of money off of mods, chests, weapons, shields and what not. I get a shard almost every time I FoW and I do it 1-2 times a night. I just got really lucky and that's how I am able to afford most of the stuff I have, not some special technique that others have.

Malice Black · Aug 21, 2006, 10:57 PM // 22:57

I use to be a "have"...FoW armor/stacks of ecto/cash/rare skins etc now im a "have not" and i can tell you this.. its alot more interesting playing the game as a poor person then it is a rich person.

Granted being rich as certain advantages like being able to go into high end sell and think i could buy everything on this page if i wanted to. Now im poor every gold drop brings back that little bit of excitement and dread this was seriously lacking before because most of the time i would have merch'd anything that wasnt perfect.

Moral of this essay...being poor is more fun in the long run...mind you i wont stay poor forever

btw not being able to make 15k in a month is bad.

Cap, lend me 100e or so

Brother Andicus · Aug 21, 2006, 11:14 PM // 23:14

GW money ladder:

Casual PvEer - Gets by but will take a long time to get perfect weapons and may never see a perfect rare skinned weapon.

Dedicated PvEer - Can generate about 15k a week purely through cash drops and trader trash. This type of player has access to higher cost items but will have to save and buy wisely to do so.

Dedicated PvEer + Casual Farming - Can generate 30k a week without any hassle. This type of player can afford pretty much anything they want. Most greens require a weeks saving tops, and a set of 15k armour or a nice gold weapon are certainly under a months work.

Dedicated Farmer + Casual PvE - This type of player can somehow find doing the same thing over and over for months on end entertaining(i'll never see how). The result of this is that they can make 100-300k in a week and will always be able to afford anything they want. FoW armour will still need to be saved for, but there are few other things they wont have disposable cash for at any given time.

Hardcore Farmer/Trader - This type of player spends an extrodinary number of hours focussing on getting rich. They will run several different farming builds across different locations. They will do chest runs. They will buy/sell items trying to make a profit on the resale. They will play the stock market sinking 100k+ into a single material and then selling it back when the market is at the right state. And they will do so for months on end. These players are where the serious money is in GW and will have several million in materials and more in other assets(extreemly rare skinned items for example).

There are of course other types of player: Ebay, Multiple HA winners and so on, but the broad classes I layed out fit pretty well.

Basically how much money you generate in GW depends on how much playtime you have and how much money you want. If you have 10 hours a week and you want to have fun, unless you get very lucky you wont be getting a fantastic gold weapon. If you have 30+ hours a week and you want fantastic gold weapons, they are not hard to get. Many people on this game have well in excess of 2000 hrs played. If 1500 of those were put into money making exercises, they will be rich and deservedly so.

garethporlest18 · Aug 21, 2006, 11:15 PM // 23:15

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Originally Posted by The Admins Bane

I use to be a "have"...FoW armor/stacks of ecto/cash/rare skins etc now im a "have not" and i can tell you this.. its alot more interesting playing the game as a poor person then it is a rich person.

Granted being rich as certain advantages like being able to go into high end sell and think i could buy everything on this page if i wanted to. Now im poor every gold drop brings back that little bit of excitement and dread this was seriously lacking before because most of the time i would have merch'd anything that wasnt perfect.

Moral of this essay...being poor is more fun in the long run...mind you i wont stay poor forever

btw not being able to make 15k in a month is bad.

Cap, lend me 100e or so

Ya I feel the same way, I wasn't as rich as you but I had money. I don't mind having under 100k only now. But see I have armor I want to buy and whenever I get a lot of money and spend that and go down there's gonna be something else I wanna buy so I should just stay rich cause it's boring to make money when farming isn't fun because...I TAKE 6 MORE DMG FROM IGNITE ARROWS!

Andy_M · Aug 21, 2006, 11:34 PM // 23:34

I earn money and I spend it. If I want something I'll go for it (unless it involves trading - won't touch that with the current system) and get the money/items via questing/farming. I may spend up to an hour or two an evening, depends what else I'm doing.

Problem with this game is that there are no unique armours really, if you are prepared to grind then any armour/weapon is gettable. Maybe one day if the mobs drop equippable armour pieces and we can collect truly different sets of armour. Male warrior will still be fat tho

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Ulivious The Reaper · Aug 21, 2006, 11:56 PM // 23:56

Finally, someone who speaks the truth, i don't care if i'm weilding a 15^50 katana from kaineng center or my greens, how ever, to be honest, i love these, but when i got my req 8 fellblade for 25k that was 15% enchanted (perfect for that vampiric mod with mending mix :P) i was SO happy, felt like i accomplished somthing by getting, what i thought was a great deal (it even had the +30 health mod lol) so yeh, ithanks for letting people know the truth about this game and the social status' of rich/poor people

Narutoscryed · Aug 22, 2006, 12:03 AM // 00:03

I will try to do the impossible and answere this problem once and for all... and hopefully i wont get flammed for it...

I am going to attemp to explain this with a comparison to real life.

In life as we have it today. we have people that are poor, and people who are rich. this is they way guild wars is. the people who work hard are rich and the people who dont work hard, or dont play enough time are poor.

Now why would it be a bad thing to have everyone in the world be the same?
imagine a world where everybody was rich.

It would not be very interesting at all. we would all be the same.

although this game is not real life. the same thing could be said for guild wars. if guild wars was to give everyone everything they wanted. there would be no point in playing. The game would die out.

It would be like beating the game at the start.

This is a game that NEEDS to be played in order to suceed in. alot of people complain that they "have a life" and that "only people who play 24/7 are rich"

well that is like a person withought a job saying " i want to be rich but i dont wanna go to work"

It just dosent work out.

Now the plain and simple truth is if you want rare items or fissure armor or just to be plain rich.. you are goin to have to work for it. and that means a crap load of hours.

All the people who want balance dont understand that that skill balance is what a-net meant by "balance".

if the game was to be trully balanced it would destroy pve as we know it. for there would be no reason to play. In fact if the people who want balance that want the same items,stats,armor, as us.....then hell why dont you just say you want all the quests done for you too.. cause you dont have enough time right?

why even play the game.. you have a life.. just cry to a-net and have them beat the game for you.. THATS TRUE BALANCE.

so in the end. i really am disgusted by the people who cry for any type of balance other than pvp.

you people who want everything easy should go to your boss and say " hey i want that dodge viper you have out there, its unfair that you have it and i dont, give me one cause its not fair if you dont"...

I would love to hear what he says

And for the record.. guild wars is a game and should have nothing to do with any type of real life.. ITS JUST A GAME.. but i had to use a comparison to make my point.

And also i spend over 50 hours at work per week. and if i can find enough time to play and gain over 200k and fissure armor withought ebay.. then anyone can. (just say goodbye to your weekends is all)

Malice Black · Aug 22, 2006, 12:16 AM // 00:16

great post ^^^^ read it and learn

i run my own business..i rarely have to do much work

i got trained monkeys/employees to do the work